2024 HOT SHOTS STARS GETTING SOGGY ... Not So Dry January!!

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Dry January? My a** ... so says these stars sunning themselves during idyllic getaways far and wide.

Sure, alcohol doesn't have to be involved ... as long as there's a whole lot of sea water, it's a good time! Just check out Tia Mowry ... knee-deep in the Thai waters, proudly showcasing her bottom.

Georgina Rodriguez and Cristiano Ronaldo were wet and wild in Dubai, while Cody Simpson gave us a glimpse of those ripplin' muscles floatin' poolside through the beginning of 2024. Jealous? Us? Nah!!

Diplo was marching to the beat of his own drum ... swapping out the soaring temps for an icy Antarctic plunge. IYDK, cold water therapy has many benefits, such as pain relief and boosting mental health, so Diplo is clearly leading by example.

Kelsea Ballerini definitely got Diplo's memo ... braving Nashville's cold snap ... by stripping down to her bikini to soak in her hot tub. Cozy vibes.

Teri Hatcher I Got Kicked Off of Dating App ... They Thought I Was Fake!!!

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Teri Hatcher's not gonna find love on Tinder or anything like it ... 'cause she says she's done with the online dating scene -- this after one popular platform apparently gave her the boot!

The bombshell actress/Bond girl -- who has long been a sex symbol in pop culture -- opened up about her unceremonious exit from the dating app world during an appearance on "Getting Grilled with Curtis Stone" ... explaining she hopped on Hinge to find a good man.

Unclear when this happened, but TH says she was "open and vulnerable," and really put herself out there ... but then claims the Hinge team didn't care, and promptly 86'd her.

Stone asked why they kicked Teri off the app ...and Teri says it turns out they simply couldn't believe THE Teri Hatcher was using their humble dating app. Moderators seem to have thought she was fake and deactivated her account ... that's what she's suggesting anyway.

Hatcher notes they later apologized, but by then it was too late ... Teri's online dating fever had already faded. She added she's got a busy life, so she's not pursuing love -- although, she'll happily accept it if she happens to meet someone IRL.

She ended the topic with a very real truth for many people ... asking who needs a man when you have a cat like she does?!?

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FWIW ... Teri isn't the only celeb online dating -- and also not the only one the people behind these apps don't seem to believe. Sharon Stone recently detailed a ruinous rendezvous and said Bumble booted her from the hive -- seems like a common theme among the stars.

Sorry, "Desperate Housewives" fans ... seems you've missed the chance at an online chat with Susan Mayer herself!

Travis Kelce Hey Justin Tucker ... Don't Be a 'F***ing D***!!!'

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Travis Kelce just teed off on Justin Tucker over their pregame altercation at the AFC Championship ... calling out the Baltimore Ravens kicker for acting like a "f***ing d***" and purposely getting in Patrick Mahomes' way during warmups.

Both sides of the tiff have continued to breathe life into the viral moment this week ... with Tucker, Mahomes and now Kelce weighing in on it.

Travis didn't hold back when discussing the spat on his "New Heights" podcast with his brother, Jason, on Wednesday ... saying he could tell Tucker was playing around, but the Chiefs weren't in the mood for tomfoolery.

Kelce explained there's an unwritten rule when it comes to specialists -- they make sure to stay out of their opponents' way when prepping for a matchup. But, Tucker didn't do that ... which rubbed him the wrong way.

"If you want to be a f***ing d*** about it, you keep your helmet and your football and your f***ing kicking tee right where the quarterbacks are warming up and they’re dropping, eyes are looking left and they’ve got a helmet down by their feet," Kelce said.

"If you’re not going to pick that up, I’ll happily move that for you."

Of course, Kelce proved to be a man of his word ... taking Tucker's helmet and tossing it away from Mahomes on Sunday.

Kelce apologized for his actions ... admitting Tucker winked at him during the altercation to indicate he was just messing around, but reiterated he was not in a joking mood.

"If you're gonna be a d*** I promise you, I can one-up you every time."

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Despite the back-and-forth, Kelce praised Tucker as one of the best to ever do it ... but made it clear he better not come at his teammates like that again.

Pennsylvania Decapitation Murder Son Allegedly Chops Off Dad's Head .... Displays It In YouTube Vid

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A Pennsylvania man allegedly beheaded his own father -- a gruesome crime law enforcement says he flaunted on his YouTube channel with some very graphic footage.

Justin Mohn was arrested Tuesday night for murder and for possessing an instrument of crime with intent after he allegedly snuffed out his dad, Michael, in the Middletown Township home they shared.

Cops say they responded to the house around 7 PM and found Michael's corpse inside the bathroom after they received a report of a man who was deceased at the location.

Michael's wife -- and, obviously, Justin's mom -- placed the 911 call, but it was unclear where she was when she phoned first responders. Her current status is also unknown.

Police say Justin fled the scene, but he was picked up hours later about 100 miles away near a National Guard training facility in Harrisburg, PA.

As for the YouTube video, the clip has already been making the rounds online. You can see Mohn display what appears to be a human head in a plastic bag with his gloved hands. In another scene, Michael's severed head was stewing inside a cooking pot. YouTube executives eventually caught wind of the disgusting 14-minute video and took it down.

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Investigators did not disclose a motive, but Mohn's online rants indicated he was angry with his father -- a 20-year federal employee -- for being what he called a "traitor." Mohan also blasted President Joe Biden's administration, the Black Lives Matter movement, the LGBTQ community, and Antifa activists.

Mohn, of course, was denied bail at his arraignment in court Wednesday morning.

OnlyFans Murder Case Courtney Clenney's Parents Charged with Illegally Accessing Victim's Computer

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The parents of OnlyFans model Courtney Clenney, the woman accused of murdering her boyfriend, were obsessed with trying to gain access to the dead man's computer and unlawfully accessed it ... so claim prosecutors in the murder case.

TMZ broke the story ... Kim and Deborah Clenney were arrested Tuesday on felony charges of unauthorized access or excessive access to a computer. Their daughter, Courtney, was also charged with the crime.

According to the police affidavit, Courtney's dad, Kim, came into possession of Christian Obumseli's laptop shortly after Courtney stabbed him to death in April 2022.

Prosecutors obtained a series of text messages between Courtney's parents and her lawyers, which repeatedly reference the need to figure out Christian's password. There were more than 4,200 texts in the group chats between the parents and the lawyers.

Courtney had apparently provided a list of potential passwords and through trial and error over a week's time, they were able to figure it out. The password ended up being his birthday ... 0412.

Courtney's lawyer told the group not to actually access the computer, but Kim told the lawyer he had already accessed it and was "starting to poke around." He said he had not opened a file and didn't see anything.

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As we reported, the only thing on the hard drive was a cryptocurrency balance sheet. Prosecutors have not alleged -- at least not yet -- that Kim or Deborah deleted any content.

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Both Deborah and Kim will appear in Miami court via zoom Wednesday morning. They are living in Austin, TX and prosecutors are trying to extradite them to Miami, where their daughter sits in jail awaiting her murder trial.

JOE BIDEN Cosigns ELMO'S WELL-BEING CHECK 'Be There for Each Other'

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President Biden is the latest public figure to weigh in on Elmo's viral mental health pop-in -- saying the famed puppet was right to check in on folks ... 'cause we're all hurting.

It all started when the "Sesame Street" star's X followers began trauma-dumping in his comments earlier this week when he asked how everyone was doing ... something that's taken the Internet by storm over the past 48 hours.

In a follow-up tweet, Elmo said he was glad he asked -- reminding us all of the importance of checking in with a friend. Unclear if that was Elmo's intention, but that's what it became.

Welp, Joe himself signed off on Elmo's tweet and the broader implications of what it morphed into ... retweeting it to add his own words of wisdom -- writing, "I know how hard it is some days to sweep the clouds away and get to sunnier days."

He drew focus back to our friend Elmo ... acknowledging his underlying message was spot on, "We have to be there for each other, offer our help to a neighbor in need, and above all else, ask for help when we need it. Even though it's hard, you're never alone."

Of course, Elmo's initial message sent the Internet ablaze ... with actress Rachel Zegler viewing it as a safe space for her to admit she was "kinda sad." Heck, even T-Pain commented: "That's love, pull up any time bruh ... Check in on your people."

The comments section also became a safe space for others to talk about issues as small as running out of milk for the day ... to more significant topics such as exhaustion, the 9-5 grind, and mental health in general.

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One takeaway from this ... a little Elmo-tional support goes a long way. People were clearly more than ready to share their problems and then some -- they just needed someone to ask.

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Ariana Madix Sent Pissed Text to Schwartz About Sandoval ... Choke On Dirty D***!

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Ariana Madix has a well-defined line in the sand, which Tom Schwartz crossed by supporting Tom Sandoval on TV -- and she let him know it with a very NSFW insult!

Here's the deal ... season 11 of "Vanderpump Rules" finally premiered last night after months of waiting, and the drama picked up right where it left off, focused on the "Scandoval."

Dismiss any thoughts of Ariana letting it go ... she still seems pissed about Sandoval cheating on her with Rachel Leviss -- because she told Scheana Shay she's now got Schwartz blocked on everything, and told him straight up, during the season 10 finale, they wouldn't have a relationship.

Well, as you might know, Schwartz went on 'Watch What Happens Live' a few weeks after the finale filming, and showed some love for the other Tom -- telling fans to give him a "hug" if they see him.

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AM admits that pissed her off, and she texted Schwartz one last time before blocking him -- and, though, she claimed that final text wasn't "that bad" ... he has a different memory of it.

In fact, he has receipts -- in Tuesday night's premiere, Schwartz read the text on-air ... "It says, 'F*** you, I am blocking your number. Go choke on Sandoval’s dirty ass d*** some more.’"

Yeah. Not that bad. 😂

Schwartz has sorta straddled the line throughout the scandal -- apologizing to Ariana and condemning Sandoval's actions while still showing love for his close friend and business partner.

It's led to some current and former costars blasting him for not taking a harder stance, and for knowing about the affair and keeping quiet.

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The "Scandoval" might be old news, but the aftermath's still pretty explosive!

TikTok UMG Is Greedy AF ... That's Why They're Pulling Our Music!!!

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TikTok and Universal Music Group are in the final hours of an epic standoff that will see all the label’s music removed from the world’s biggest app … and neither side is budging.

UMG let off a lengthy statement on Tuesday defending their stance on their waning contract -- which is set to expire at midnight -- accusing TikTok of sitting back and getting filthy rich off their product without "paying its fair share."

That's why they're now taking the position of yanking their artists' music off the platform ... basically, they feel TikTok needs to pay more cash to license their tunes.

Universal also argued they’ve applied every potential countermeasure available to ensure their artists are protected from AI impersonation and online security … something they say TikTok has failed to do for the music industry and its fans overall.

The Big 3 label has a huge roster ... Taylor Swift, Drake, Nicki Minaj, Ariana Grande, Bad Bunny, Ice Spice, Rosalía -- and dozens of other superstar names will soon be affected, but UMG says they have a greater responsibility to uphold.

TikTok snapped back at UMG, pinpointing the issue on classic corporate GREED … they accused UMG of spinning a “false narrative” and noted they have healthy 'artist-first' agreements with every other label and publisher.

UMG has been monitoring its books closely ... earlier in January, Variety reported that UMG was preparing to fire hundreds of employees -- primarily targeting the recorded music division. So, on its face, it appears they're tightening their belt on all fronts.

Russ, the rapper, has been speaking out on industry politics since going fully independent a couple of years ago and he's weighing in here as well ... saying both parties have too much stake in the game to drop the ball at midnight. He thinks UMG's crusade to protect the artists is simply code language to appease their own bottom line.

Both sides should act fast, or risk Swifties and Munchkins soon using TikTok for a different reason ... to post their meltdowns and tantrums for lack of Tay Tay's music.

Drew Carey Says He Attempted Suicide Twice ... Wonders Who'll Miss Him

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Drew Carey says he attempted to end his life on two occasions when he was young -- and even now ... apparently has some very dark thoughts about death.

"The Price Is Right" host got real about his struggles with depression and mental health during a recent chat with Chris Wallace -- where Drew revealed he'd attempted suicide twice before ... once when he was 18, and another time in his 20s.

The first time he tried this was during a frat party, which Drew describes this way ... "I was so mad that everybody was having a good time. I remember that. I remember walking down the stairs and everybody’s drinking and I was like, 'What the hell are they so happy about?'"

He goes on to say he found himself angry that people there were so happy and decided he was tired of life, going on to wonder to himself ... "Who's gonna miss me?"

Even now, DC admits ... he still fights off those sad thoughts every now and then.

Drew explains ... "I have a lot of that still. Like, the who's-gonna-miss-me type of thing. A lot of times I think to myself. Like, if I die, I'm just gonna have my body cremated. No funeral and anything associated with, like, all my mementos and stuff. You can just burn them and give them away. Like, who cares?" We should note ... he says he's in a better place lately.

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Still, it sounds like Drew continues to find the balance -- and he's very honest about it.

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JUSTIN & HAILEY BIEBER SMOOCHIN' FOR DATE NIGHT ... 'We're Cute!!!'

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Justin Bieber's more than 5 years into this marriage thing, and still feeling real lovey-dovey ahead of a night out at a Bev Hills hot spot with his wife Hailey.

The singer passionately locked lips with Hailey during an outing to the much-buzzed-about restaurant Funke, and Mrs. Bieber cuddled up on her husband's shoulder in other pics.

Justin and Hailey, like many high-profiled couples, have been plagued by divorce rumors over the years -- but their cozy date night last weekend should silence that talk.

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The "Yummy" hitmaker let the pics do all the talking, opting to go captionless ... while the Rhode Beauty founder kept the romance alive in the comments, writing: "we're cute."

The comments section was also bursting at the seams with fans branding the pair "couple goals."

In general, fans are just thrilled to see their relationship is going strong as they'll hit their 6th anniversary later this year. Hell, they were even holding hands like a couple of high school kids as they walked out of the eatery.

The couple's been open about the ups and downs of their relationship since tying the knot -- and Hailey's even admitted their struggles made her realize she'd fight for their marriage "no matter what."

The honeymoon phase is over, but luckily ... they didn't get that memo!

Donald Trump's Inner Circle Vows to Wage 'Holy War' on T-Swift ... Thinks He's More Popular?!?

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Donald Trump and his closest aides are apparently ramping up to go to battle with Taylor Swift and any Democrats she might end up endorsing -- this according to a new report.

Rolling Stone dished out some alleged behind-the-scenes deets about what's being discussed lately in Trump world -- particularly as it pertains to T-Swift and the (likely) possibility that she'll throw her weight behind Joe Biden as we get close to the '24 election.

From what they're hearing ... DT and co. are grousing at the prospect of Taylor using her massive influence to support the Biden ticket -- so much so, in fact, that RS reports some in the Trump camp are declaring a "holy war" against her ... whatever the hell that means.

The outlet says that the topic of Taylor has come up in Trump's orbit quite a bit in recent months -- especially as she'd become ever-more popular due to her NFL tie lately. The more she's surged in the zeitgeist, the more Trump and co. have reportedly fumed with anger.

RS even goes so far as to claim that Trump recently told confidants he was "more popular" than Taylor and that he had a more loyal fan base than her as well. The outlet goes on to say Trump was telling people he "obviously" should've been TIME's Person of the Year.

As wild as this might sound, there's already evidence out there that it's true -- especially on the "holy war" front ... 'cause some popular Trump surrogates have talked about it of late.

Political persona Jack Posobiec recently told a MAGA-leaning crowd at an event that their side had to fight fire with fire when it comes to the Taylor effect ... throwing out stars in their own world who could presumably rile up their base and get people to the polls for DT.

Some of the A-listers he mentioned ... Kid Rock, Ted Nugent and Jon Voight, to name a few.

On its face, it would seem MAGA supporters feel like they're in a fight for their lives here -- and based on all these reports ... it would seem they see Tay Tay as the anti-Christ!

Meanwhile, in reality, all Taylor has done, really, is ... just go to football games and cheer.

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That, in and of itself though, has apparently triggered Trumpers around the country -- who are throwing a bit of hissy fit over the prospect she might get political again this year.

Oh, the humanity ...

'The Handmaid's Tale' Actress Elisabeth Moss Breaks Big Baby News ... I'm Preggers!!!

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Elisabeth Moss -- star of the dystopian fictional TV drama "The Handmaid's Tale" about women forced to bear children -- is now having a baby in real life!

The Emmy Award-winning actress sat down with Jimmy Kimmel on his late night show Tuesday night, displaying her massive baby bump to everyone on national TV.

Jimmy started with a joke, "Are you pregnant or just an incredibly committed method actor?"

Moss chuckled, responding, "a little bit of both," confirming that she's preggers with her first child and the process has been going "really well."

She then asked for advice from Jimmy, who has four children of his own. Jimmy made a wisecrack about his TV sidekick Guillermo Rodriguez being his fifth kid, then he delivered some words of wisdom to Elisabeth.

Jimmy said friends and family will shower Elisabeth with a lot of "stuff" for the newborn before getting into what actor Bill Murray once told his wife, Molly McNearney.

According to Jimmy, Bill said to "bring Christmas lights to hang or beads of some kind [in the delivery room]," along with a night light and music.

Bill also recommended burning candles, but Jimmy ended up using battery-powered candles to prevent an explosion from the oxygen in the room.

Elisabeth seemed open to the ideas, calling the candlelit atmosphere romantic. Jimmy agreed, saying it was much better than the usual Walmart-style lighting in the delivery room.

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The baby talk then ended with the actress not sharing any more details on her pregnancy.

A little background on Elisabeth ... she was married to comic Fred Armisen in 2009, but they divorced the following year. She has won two Emmy Awards for "Outstanding Lead Actress In A Drama Series" for her role as June Osborne in Hulu's "The Handmaid's Tale."

OF Model Courtney Clenney Parents Arrested ... Alleged Evidence Tampering

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4:40 PM PT -- According to online records, the Clenneys are facing unspecified felony charges from out of state -- but we're still working to confirm exactly what they've been dinged for.

The parents of Courtney Clenney -- the OnlyFans model who has been charged with murdering her boyfriend -- have been arrested themselves ... TMZ has learned.

Kim and Deborah Clenney were arrested at their Austin, TX home Tuesday in connection with the murder case ... and we're told it has something to do with potential evidentiary tampering.

Sources with direct knowledge tell us ... the Clenneys were taken into custody by law enforcement in Travis County on a warrant out of Miami.

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The allegation, from what we understand, boils down to a laptop that belonged to Courtney's late boyfriend, Christian Obumseli, which our sources say remained in their Miami apartment after he was killed in an argument in 2022.

We're told Courtney's dad, Kim, went back to their unit to clear out her stuff in the aftermath ... and in the process, stumbled across this laptop -- which we're told had not been impounded as evidence when police first went through after the incident.

Our sources say Courtney gave her father the password, and he got in ... but found nothing but a crypto exchange on the hard drive. After that, we're told he notified Courtney's defense attorney about it ... and handed it off to the legal team.

At this point, our sources say they're still in custody ... and the exact charges are a bit unclear -- but we're told they have a bond hearing in court Wednesday.

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Chiefs Fans' Mystery Death Case Video of Man Cuffed in Underwear ... Bodies Found in Backyard

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Video of a man being handcuffed in his underwear as police discovered three dead bodies in his backyard is finally surfacing -- the latest development in this wild case out of Missouri.

You've probably heard of this by now -- it all has to do with this guy named Jordan Willis in Kansas City, who was hosting a Chiefs watch party at his house back in early January with some friends ... only for 3 of them to turn up as stiff corpses on his property days later.

The story is absolutely insane ... and it's still shrouded in mystery. Here's what cops know for sure though -- at some point after the watch party on Jan. 7, families for 3 of the attendees at Willis' get-together (David Harrington, Ricky Johnson, and Clayton McGeeney) reported them missing ... as no one had seen or heard from these men after that evening.

People had attempted to contact Willis himself, of course, but he too was off the radar for a couple days -- that is, until officers arrived at his home on Jan. 9 ... where he reportedly answered the door with a wineglass in hand ... and wearing nothing but tighty-whities.

That's exactly what you're seeing in this new video here, which just popped up courtesy of NewsNation reporter Alex Caprariello, who says he obtained it through his reporting.

In the brief clip ... you can see a neighbor recording the police run-in Willis experienced that night -- capturing all the officers who responded to the scene ... and them detaining Willis.

And yes, he indeed in his underwear ... just as reports have indicated from the get-go.

It's worth noting, while Willis might've landed in handcuffs here in the moment -- after which officers discovered the bodies of Harrington, Johnson and McGeeney, frozen to death in Willis' backyard -- he did NOT get arrested or charged with a crime ... and hasn't as of yet.

Police there are saying no foul play is suspected thus far in the investigation -- and they're even going out of their way to say this is not being looked into as a homicide ... despite some troubling details that have the public doing double takes and scratching their heads.

Willis, for his part, has denied any knowledge about how his friends turned up dead in his backyard ... and says he wasn't even aware anyone was looking for them. He's denied having anything to do with their demise ... this despite the families' collective outrage.

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There's still a lot to figure out ... including what else, if anything, may have resulted in the bizarre deaths of these guys. For now, cops aren't pointing the finger at anyone in particular.

*NSYNC Justin's Tease Isn't New Group Music ... Just New Backup Vocals

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Justin Timberlake saying he's been in the studio with his boy bandmates isn't what it seems ... there's no new *NSYNC music on the way, but they did lend their voices to JT's album.

Here's the deal ... Justin gave *NSYNC fans the ultimate tease this week when he told Kelly Clarkson he was cooking something up with the boy band, leading lotsa folks to believe new tracks and potentially a tour was coming, building on their recent reunion.

But our sources at RCA Records are pumping the brakes, telling us ... Justin's tease was referencing *NSYNC members recording background vocals for his his upcoming album, "Everything I Thought I Was."

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We're told when Justin, Lance Bass, Joey Fatone, JC Chasez and Chris Kirkpatrick got together last year to record "Better Place" for 'Trolls Band Together,' they also used their time together in the studio to lay down vocals for JT's new offering.

So, JT's just hyping that collab ... background vocals for that one track, which we guess some might consider a reunion of sorts.

We're also told RCA Records honchos are adamant that when/IF *NSYNC does make a comeback, it needs to be the band's own sound and not Justin's which would also include JC singing half the leads with JT just like with all the hit *NSYNC records.

Unfortunately for *NSYNC fans, that isn't imminent ... we're told Justin is full steam ahead with his upcoming world tour and there are no plans for his old band members to join him on stage.

Of course, there's no doubt fans are clamoring for an *NSYNC reunion album and tour ... and that could become a factor in the future. Right now, our sources say RCA is concerned with Justin's first single stumbling out of the gate.

We're told RCA is nervous fans are upset they're not getting a true *NSYNC song, and that might be why Justin's "Selfish" isn't performing as well as hoped.

The good news is our sources say RCA wants a full band comeback as much as fans do -- but, it's just not in the cards right now.

Murray The Magician Tropicana Closure a Big Blow For Vegas Entertainers!!!

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One of the most famous casino resorts in Las Vegas is closing, and one of its longtime headliners says it spells trouble for Sin City entertainers.

The Tropicana announced this week it's shuttering in April, and will ultimately be demolished to make way for a new baseball stadium being built for the Las Vegas Athletics, the MLB team relocating from Oakland.

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Murray The Magician, who has a residency at the Tropicana, tells TMZ ... the impending closure could create major problems for performers who've been doing their thing at the property.

As the 'AGT' alum explains, the Las Vegas Strip is hypercompetitive for entertainers -- there are more than 70 shows a night on the 2.5-mile stretch, with only so much wealth to go around ... and the Tropicana closing eliminates 2 venues.

So, some acts are going to be left out in the cold.

There's a historical layer to this too ... the Tropicana's been a launching pad for so many Vegas performers, and Murray says the property changed the way folks are entertained in Sin City.

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Siegfried and Roy got their start at the Tropicana, and Murray says without them there would be no Cirque du Soleil. The Tropicana also hosted the Folies Bergere for nearly half a century, and it's where Gladys Knight and Wayne Newton once had residencies.

Murray does his show at the Laugh Factory at the Tropicana, and the property also hosts tribute shows for Michael Jackson and Prince.

For what it's worth, there are reports the "MJ Live" and "Purple Reign" tribute shows are relocating to new spots in Vegas -- and, likewise, Murray says he's sticking with the Laugh Factory, which is finishing a deal to move on the Strip.

But, if deals fall though, Murray says it could be tough sledding.